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Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr. on Jack Stockwell Show,
September 11, 2001, 1730 EDT
continued from Part I

Stockwell: I've got another one for you. The smoke in downtown Manhattan is clearing, and there is no second tower.

LaRouche: That I can understand. It's awful, but, those of us who --

Stockwell: What response can the United States possibly have now?

LaRouche: The United States needs a Franklin Roosevelt, who will say we have nothing to fear as much as fear itself. Yes, we have things to fear, but nothing as much as fear itself. Nothing as much as panic itself. This is the time for cool heads. You do not win wars by panicking, by flight-forward.

What I'm afraid of from this White House is, because of its very weakness, it will tend to go into flight-forward. Actually, George W. Bush is not exactly a combat veteran. So, you don't expect him--I mean, he may have been in the National Guard, down in Texas--but he's not the kind of guy you'd want in charge of a military major unit in time of war. You want somebody with a cool head. You want the MacArthurs at time of war. You want commanders like that. You want leaders like that, who do not blow their gaskets, even in the face of the most horrible penalties, do not lose self-control. I'm afraid that the people in Washington are going to delight and are having a sexual fantasy about losing self-control. They're going to pull out some kind of favorite horror movie and try to act that out as a scenario.

Stockwell: This advice, of nothing to fear but fear itself, goes right down to the last man listening to this program right now. We have people in Washington right now, I can see them sitting at a table, saying, ``We have got to have the President order martial law immediately.''

LaRouche: Absolutely.

Stockwell: That kind of crazy thinking.

LaRouche: Absolutely. The worst thing they can do. It's the worst thing for the security of the United States to pull a stunt like that. Anyone who would do it has to be a real, certifiable, hysterical idiot!

Stockwell: What can be, what should be, the U.S. response in the next 24 to 48 hours to this?

LaRouche: I would hope that some of these guys get smart enough to call me up. Because there are people that I would think of as the kind of team that could be pulled together, as a special team, to advise the President and other institutions on how to respond to this. That could reach out to other governments informally, for the {informal} kind of cooperation which would make the {formal} cooperation work.

Stockwell: All right, I've got a couple of people with some questions for you, if you don't mind.

LaRouche: Sure.

Stockwell: I'm going to go ahead and bring you folks on the air, along with Lyndon LaRouche. Ryan, you're on the Stockwell show.

Ryan: Hi, Lyndon. It's exciting to talk to you. I really hadn't been introduced to your movement till I started listening to the Jack Stockwell show, but I'm finding you have quite a few interesting things to say. Boy, Jack's been talking about this crap for a long time, and I'll tell you, it's really scary. I wanted to see if maybe you thought that maybe this was an oligarchical ploy, to gain power, at a key time. Or maybe this is just a random terrorist attack.

LaRouche: No, it's not random. This is obviously a highly planned attack by a very capable agency, this kind of thing. If it is coordinated, as portrayed, and I see no reason to work on any other working hypothesis at this time; if it becomes less, fine--be grateful. But this already is a horror show of the first magnitude.

Ryan: Oh my heck, I can't believe it. I can't believe they even collapsed the tower.

LaRouche: Oh, but this couldn't happen--this is not amateur night. This is big. Therefore we need, the first thing we need, is cool heads.

Ryan: I agree. And that's what I'm afraid of. Just like Jack said, I'm afraid of them declaring martial law. I can just see it as plain as day, them saying they need to come and --

LaRouche: That would be the end of the United States. The United States could not take martial law. It would disintegrate.

Ryan: I know they couldn't take it, and that's what I'm afraid of. I mean, omigosh, I can't believe how scary it is, if they--And I guess I just see them doing it, as plain as day, that's the thing that terrifies me.

LaRouche: You get some Ku Klux Klan mentalities who would think that would work, but anybody who knows anything, knows that this country, right now, is morally very fragile. This country can disintegrate as a nation; it's very fragile, as a result of what's been done to it.

Largely as a result of the entertainment that's supplied it. Look at what appears on television, other forms of mass entertainment.

Ryan: And I think it's all been a ploy over the last 50 years by the oligarchy to obtain the power that they want over this country.

LaRouche: Well, it's actually to change the world in a certain way. But I'm not drawing any conclusions beyond what I know, because I have to be cool at this time, because I'm vindicated, in a sense, therefore I have not got the luxury of indulging myself in any wild speculation. I have to be cool, and anything I say, I have to be right.


Ryan: I'm glad that we have a person who's going to be --

LaRouche: So, I'll say what I know, but I'm not going to leap to conclusions. I'm going to see what the facts are, but in the meantime I know the first thing is, keep cool, especially those who are in leading positions.

Ryan: I agree. I appreciate your time, Lyndon.

Stockwell: Thanks, Ryan.

What happened, what they're saying now, Lyn, is that the second plane flew into one of the structural corners of the second building, knowing that it would bring that -- they think that's what brought the second one down, was that the plane--obviously, well, I don't know obviously, because I don't know either, but I would suspect that anybody that would be going to that kind of an extreme move, would have those planes loaded with sufficient explosives.


LaRouche: Well, the fuel alone is something, you know. Shortly after takeoff, a fuelled plane has a certain amount of explosive potential.

No, I just think we've got to get more evidence on it. But obviously, what we know is that this is, doesn't conform to any coincidence of any kind.

Stockwell: ... When we come back, I want to talk about what the IDF would be trying to accomplish with an act like this.

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Stockwell: Twenty-three minutes after the hour, my guest Lyndon LaRouche. I've often told you, ladies and gentlemen, that my source of information that I use relative to my radio programs, comes from a majority of sources from around the planet. Newspaper headlines out of Germany, out of China, out of Russia, out of South America, France, Italy, the British Isles. And one thing that is predominant in international media, that you do not see in the United States media, is the discussion of Mr. LaRouche and his ideas regarding a New Bretton Woods, individual state sovereignty, the end of this economic system, in the sense that it has to be completely reorganized, or, what has happened--these are my words -- what has happened in Manhattan, what happened to the rest of world, financially.

And I have often talked about that, I have given you phone numbers where you can check out the information yourself. I've had information in my office that you can come by, in my clinic, to pick up additional information. And what is going on right now, I've been talking about three to four years, ever since my association with Mr. LaRouche, in the sense of the orchestration of events leading in this particular direction, to force the United States to come to war, in the Middle East. And I've talked about that, I've talked about how I don't want to see my sons going to war in the Middle East, but I can't help but see that day materializing before me.

Lyn, is the American government crazy enough right now, to have a war response to this?

LaRouche: Well, try stupid enough.

Stockwell: All right.

LaRouche: Then, that's possible.

Stockwell: And who would they go shooting at?

LaRouche: Well, they would just react.

Stockwell: More intensified bombings of Baghdad, or something stupid like that.

LaRouche: Or some foolish thing. They would react out of stupidity.

See, the problem here is, that years ago, we had certain criteria like industry, agriculture, science, physical reality. And therefore you had a population which would look at things in a practical way, in the way a progressive farmer, the way a small entrepreneurial industrialist would look at things, an engineer, and so forth. We don't have that any more. We have a population which lives more and more in fantasy land. And we have leaders who were selected.

Look, let me be frank. I think this is a time we've got to be very honest, no strained politeness.

Look, we had two idiots running for President as of, up to Nov. 7 of last year. One dumb, with a real bad combination around him. And you had the other one, who was a mental case, of a different kind, Gore. This is a fact. This is a reality--this is not the time to be polite, or to be diplomatic. And therefore what happened is, the institutions, including the mass media, the moneybags of various parts of the country, put their money behind these two specimens.

Now, I was the best qualified, but put that aside. You had other people, like Kerry in Massachusetts, for example, and other people, who were more qualified--they were sane. And even if they had shortcomings, if you put them in the Oval Office, and put a good bunch of advisers around there, you might get a good process of government out of them. We don't.

So, what we have is, we have an American people, which sat there and watched, while what they knew to be a mental case and a dummy, were the only available Presidents of the United States, and anybody who understands what the Presidency of the United States means, as an absolutely unique quality of institution on this planet, would realize the importance of having a qualified President in that office at the time when the financial crisis, the global monetary crisis, was inevitable. And these two clowns--and Lieberman as well -- the Vice Presidential candidate, didn't say a word about the crisis, the financial crisis, which was then oncoming. People have lost tens of trillions of dollars globally, from the collapse of this system. In one sector of the U.S. financial market alone, $3 trillion, which hit a lot of poor people, as well as others, who were putting their savings there, hoping to get that extra nickel to stretch their pension--that sort of thing.

We have a bubble that's about to burst in real estate now. So, these issues are facing us, and nobody was paying attention to any of the obvious, massively obvious, real issues coming up.

So, now you've got a population which, if you read the print press, you look at the so-called television news, of various kinds, including the stuff that's on websites, and you see absolute gibberish and idiocy. So what do you expect? The American people have no sense of what the reality of the real, current situation is, and therefore you have leaders who don't even want to know what reality is--they want to have a fantasy. And it's extremely dangerous.

We've got to get cooller heads together, now, and put some direction into this. But I'm really afraid of what would happen, if you leave the decision to be made in the hands of just the few who are the obvious ones right now, in power.

Stockwell: Well, this could--you know, I'm thinking that it's almost impossible for the United States to not do anything. You know, when you look at what happened in Oklahoma City, nothing on this scale. Nothing against, I'm sorry for the people whose lives were lost and families and such, but this, if this is as bad as I think it is, what happened today, the United States can't just do nothing.

LaRouche: Well, the United States, first of all, the President of the United States, or someone who's next to him, who's intelligent, should immediately call President Putin of Russia. And between the two of them, they should talk to all the key leaders in France, Germany, Italy, and so forth. Japan, as well. Bring the Chinese in on it. The Chinese will have their own reaction, but bring them in on it. Through a group of leaders.

And say, this has happened in the United States. You guys all know what this kind of thing means. Let's put this thing, this genie back in the bottle. And that's what has to be done.

Then tell the American people you're doing it. Say, we are not going to allow this kind of situation, which obviously had roots, to continue. We and other nations are going to cooperate to bring this under control. That's what the American people have to hear from the President, or somebody around him, or somebody else in charge. Maybe Don Rumsfeld, maybe Powell, Colin Powell, is the guy to deliver that message. But somebody's got to deliver that message now.

Stockwell: A conjoined effort, among the--Now, this is just in. Another plane has been hijacked, and it's en route to Washington, D.C. right now.

LaRouche: They'll probably shoot it down now.

Stockwell: Well, they're going to have to. If they're aware of that, they'll have to shoot it down. Oh, my goodness.

LaRouche: This is like the wildest of your Hollywood scenarios.


Stockwell: Well, I mean, Orson Welles, and his {War of the Worlds} thing out of New Jersey, back in the '30s. Could it have been any more real than this? This is absolutely incredible.

LaRouche: I think there have probably--then, if this is happening, all the more reason for somebody to do what I suggested.

Putin would accept a call, of course, from Bush. Bush, say he's calling on his behalf, put the right people on the phone. It's still daytime in Moscow, or evening time--10 hours difference. So, to call him right now. And to call the relevant people in Germany, France, somebody in London--I don't know that that dumb Prime Minister's any good for anything, but--and Italy. And Japan. And China. And a few other countries. Consult with them. Set up a consultative arrangement. Say, we're going to stop this thing now. That's what it takes.

Stockwell: Do we have the leadership, though, to support that? Do we have the orientation? I mean, we've got three different basic levels of thinking that exist inside Washington right now. You've got this Brzezinski-Huntington ``Clash of Civilizations'' kind of concept; you have Ashcroft and Armitage and that group; and then you've got another group that is a little oligarchical in their design as well, in the sense of bringing everything in totally under control of Wall Street.

You know, if you had--I mean, I can't think of a Sergeant York mentality in Washington.

LaRouche: I think it's perfectly legitimate for -- See, the President of the United States has certain constitutionally inherent emergency powers. I would not really declare a national emergency--that's probably the wrong thing to do, because it would activate the wrong things. But I would use the emergency powers of the President, and I would use the person of George W. Bush. He's President, after all! Forget how he got there--he's President. He has got to, as President, enter into an emergency discussion, with prominent leaders of other nations, and to try to bring the world community more or less into agreement--but quickly, and report that agreement to the American people now. Preferably within hours.

Stockwell: To bring down that fear factor.

LaRouche: To bring it down--he's got to DO something, for a change! This guy has done nothing so far as President! This is the time for him at last to shoot that bolt, and do something.

All he has to do, he doesn't have to be a genius, all he has to do is call Putin. And I'm sure that he'd get cooperation from Putin, and would, on that basis, if those two powers, which are the former superpowers, come to an agreement, to bring other nations together on a consultative basis, what we are going to do to stop this show right now, to make sure it doesn't get out of hand.

Stockwell: Exactly.

LaRouche: And then report that back to the American people. That is exactly my druthers. That is what should happen within hours.


Stockwell: The numbers that are coming in right now between the two buildings--50,000 people worked in those two buildings--and they're showing a shot from the Statue of Liberty right now, and you cannot even see Manhattan, because of the smoke.

LaRouche: This is a big one, somebody went for a big one.

Stockwell: Well, this is the financial capital of the world that we're dealing with here.

LaRouche: Well, actually, London is the financial capital, but --

Stockwell: Well, well, okay.

LaRouche: It's the image of the financial capital of the world.

Stockwell: Right. I agree with that.

LaRouche: Sometimes the image is bigger than the real thing.

Stockwell: That's right. And because of the image of the United States, and the position that it holds in the rest of the world, and what New York means to the United States, it's like going for the jugular. Or in this case, the carotid.

LaRouche: Somebody wants this thing to go out of control. That's why they're doing this. This is not an attack; this is a {provocation.} It's a provocation with an intention behind it. To create a programmed reaction from the institutions of the United States. This is not some dumb guy with a turban some place in the world, trying to get revenge for what's going on in the Middle East. This is something different.

Stockwell: Those of you who are interested, you're welcome to call in here and talk to Mr. LaRouche yourself. You won't get an opportunity like this very often. Locally, 254-5855. Utah County, 470-5855. North Davis/Weaver County 670-5855. I'm going to give you again a number where you can get some more intelligence on all the stuff that we're talking about: 703-297-8368. Randy, you're on the Stockwell show.

Randy: I was in Washington less than a week ago and I just went there with the feeling that I probably wouldn't see it intact again.

Stockwell: Well, that was prophetic.

Randy: I've been feeling this, and I have feelings now about the Olympics here. I want you to comment on it.

Stockwell: What we want to do here, I don't want to step on anybody's feelings, Randy, but at a moment like this, what we have to be using is knowledge, fact-based knowledge, common sense and a cool head.

Randy: I think we need to have some thought of what's coming, too.

LaRouche: What's coming is what's going to come in the next days, the next hours. If the President of the United States, with the support of people, make their own mistakes, the world's going to be in hell. That's the hurdle we've got to get over. If the President of the United States and people around him panic, and react to this, as some of the press leaks so far that I've heard of, are indicating, then this world is going to hell. Therefore, we have to worry about the next hours.

Stockwell: Yes, we want our responses about those next few hours. Randy, thanks for your call. Richard, on the cell phone, you're on the Stockwell show.

Richard: He repeated what I--no, I don't want to repeat this. I was worried about the Olympics and the security and the risk that we're going to be at in about February, the whole thing is worrisome to me, everything. But, the Olympics was on my mind. That's what I was going to say.

LaRouche: That's fine. That's all right. But the point is that the next hours are going to be decisive.

Richard: Yes, I understand that.

LaRouche: The point is, sometimes when you go to the Olympics, think of yourself maybe as in denial. Here, in the next hours, the existence of the United States is in jeopardy. The security of the Olympics, if you raise that as an issue, is typical of what people will react to. It's like the flight-forward or go into a foxhole under conditions of warfare.

Richard: Well, if you run for President, I'm voting for you. Because you've got more common sense than anybody I've heard in government any place.

Stockwell: Well, there's one vote from Utah for you, Lyndon. Helen, you're on the Stockwell show.

Helen: Thank you so much, Jack. Mr. LaRouche, this system, capitalism here in the developed countries, has become very expensive for them to invest. They need quick returns on their expensive investment, big returns, so that it is cheaper for them to invest in a foreign country and they can wait for long-term results. Do you think that this system has become so expensive? I used to think a collapse, nobody wanted. But now, perhaps, they think a collapse would bring this system, would consolidate their gains. What do you think about that?

LaRouche: No, I think they're all crazy right now--

Helen:--these people who are establishing a global government.

LaRouche: They don't have any sense at all. They'll grab assets, but they don't have any sense about the future. They're that crowd. And I don't see, I deal with Washington, I deal with these circles, and they just don't, there's no sense, in the leadership of the Republican or Democratic Party--there may be individual exceptions to that, but I'm talking about the party as an organization, and the Federal government as an organization--they have no sense of anything in the future. They are in Lollipop Land, when it comes to economics.

Stockwell: You have made the comment in the past, that one of the clear-cut, more obvious descriptions of somebody who simply cannot be trusted in what they have to say regarding economics, is someone who's been to economics school.

LaRouche: [laughing] Well, generally. There are a few exceptions, of people who've studied economics, who have the sense to know what they {don't} know. That's where I find sensible people. Those who think they have all the answers, based on what is taught as generally accepted doctrine, they're {dangerous.}

Stockwell: All right. We're going to go to traffic really quick and then we'll be right back. Craig, up in the north, you'll be next, questions regarding martial law.

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Stockwell: This means there's no panic on the streets of Salt Lake.

We've got reports coming in right now of a plane crashing in Pittsburgh. We'll get more information on that here in a moment. Craig, you're on the Stockwell show.

Craig: Mr. LaRouche, with your knowledge of protocol for the institutions of government and their reaction to something of this magnitude today, do you have any feelings on martial law.

LaRouche: I think it would be the wrong thing to do. I think we should set up a quiet emergency force, where law enforcement and other agencies' heads are on alert, pull in their reserves and have them available, double check the security, pull security assets (if they were off-duty today) back in, go over the files and check. Because we don't know what--see, you're going to have things that are going to go off, not necessarily as the result of any centralized plan, but things will go off simply being ignited by the kind of atmosphere. You're going to have people going crazy.

Stockwell: Yes!

LaRouche: You're going to have obvious kinds of problems. So, therefore, I would say the United States should be mobilized to have a heightened sense of security, but not martial law, and not a national emergency, despite the horrible degree of awfulness of what happened in New York. New York has an emergency. They have a physical emergency that's going to require a lot of assistance. Every place that they get hit is going to require assistance. All right. That kind of mobilization--yes. But keep it calm. The worst thing that can happen to us now, is that the nut factor turns loose, and complicates what is already a terrible problem.

Craig: The thought that comes to my mind is the Gulf War, and the way the President's father reacted to that. A knee-jerk reaction like that right now would be terrible.

LaRouche: We've got too many jerks already. No, we need calmness. That's why I emphasize that somebody has to, I think, press on President Bush. He's not his father. He may have a different reaction.

Craig: I just passed my office building, and the whole office is down, screwed around the television, and the fear in the room is just incredible.

Stockwell: Then you go back there, Craig, and institute a sane, calm mind, and make sure that they don't panic. Give them the Roosevelt inaugural address, nothing to fear but fear itself.

LaRouche: Give them what I told you, what I told them on the air.

Stockwell: Yes. Thanks, Craig.

Craig: An honor talking to you, Mr. LaRouche.

LaRouche: Thank you.

Stockwell: About 15 minutes before the top of the hour. There is a line available, 254-5855, if you'd like to talk to Mr. LaRouche, an announced candidate, already, a pre-candidate for the 2004 Presidential election in the Democratic Party.

I reported to you a year ago, in the Arkansas primary, where the votes were stolen, the kinds of things that were done in Michigan, the things that were done within the Democratic Party, to make sure Mr. LaRouche never made it to the Convention, so that they could deliver the cigar store Indian to you, Mr. Al Gore.

I don't know if they are ready yet, to listen. It's like the old Don McLean song ``Vincent'' [1972, American Pie]--perhaps they never will. But, one thing that is absolutely certain: Of all the things you had to say this morning, the thing that smacks me with the greatest amount of truth and reality, is that very calm response that must be taking place in all of our minds and hearts right now. Fear can drive people into some of the most bizarre, most ridiculous, most murderous suicidal behavior imaginable. And there is probably already a certain sector of the country heading for the hills, which is exactly the opposite of what we should be doing at this point in time.

Those of you who are listening to this program, listening to Mr. LaRouche, who haven't gone to work, or you're talking to people at work, or talking to family -- I have a brother-in-law right in downtown Manhattan. He's the first one that came to my mind. Well, not downtown, he's a little north up near Cornell. But, still my concern, and I'll be talking to him as soon as phone lines can be established, but still, wherever you're talking to family, wherever you're talking to co-workers, or whatever else, you must keep a cool head at this point in time, where we have so little facts as to what's happened, and we've been dealt a heavy, heavy blow.

Fifty thousand people work in those two buildings. Both the buildings are now on the ground. It's probably going to take a month before all this information comes out. Let's go on here. Sharon, you're on the Stockwell show.

Sharon: I was just commenting on an observation that today's date is 9-1-1 actually, kind of coincidental, it seems like in tragedy, things like that are coincidental.

Stockwell: Yes, 9-1-1. Interesting.
Sharon: The other thing I was going to say is I live here in Park City, and I don't think the Olympics is a topic for worry. I think our economy and our stock exchange is what we need to be worried about, and more immediate.

I have a future son-in-law who works for Legg Mason in Florida, and he said, from what they've heard, it's going to be closed for the whole week.

Stockwell: The market?

Sharon: Yes.


Stockwell: I'm supposed to go to a stock market report here in two minutes, and I suspect that's probably what they're going to say, that there is no market.

Sharon: Well, I'm very concerned about the economy, and I know that Mr. LaRouche is very expert in that area. And if he would expound on some of that, we'd be interested.

Stockwell: Thanks.

Sharon: Bye.

Stockwell: One good thing we can say about this, if it does close down the market for a week, that it will take another week for it to crash.

(Mr. LaRouche laughs.)

LaRouche: And the other thing is, you know, the system is going to crash, the financial system. Accept it. Don't say it never will happen. It's going to happen. It's happening right now.

What you do is you say, what do we do to save the economy? And to save the economy, means do something that may not have been too popular in much of the Salt Lake community recently. Go back and think about what Franklin Roosevelt did in a situation which was admittedly less severe than the world faces today, in terms of economy.

But what he did worked. He took an economy that had been ruined by Teddy Roosevelt, by Woodrow Wilson, and Calvin Coolidge. And with all the difficulty he had in doing it--and the mistakes he made in the process--he got the economy up.

What we have to do, is take that approach. We're going to keep the jobs functioning, and we're going to keep the economy functioning. There are ways to do it. [Franklin] Roosevelt pioneered in that direction. We know a lot more of how to do that now than we did when he was President. We're going to have to do it. It's simply that way.

Think clearly. We can always, as a nation, as a nation-state, with the powers of our government, and the powers of our Presidency, there is no financial or monetary crisis which this government cannot bring under control, and cannot utilize the situation to bring about a recovery. So, that's the way we have to think about it.

Stockwell: All right. We're going to the {Wall Street Journal Report} here in just a moment. I don't know if there's--what there's going to be. If it's only for a second, we'll be right back, of course.

But I've got about 30 seconds. Lyn, who was it that fired the missile into the MI6 building a while ago? Do you remember that? Yes, in London.

LaRouche: That's a little bit mysterious, as to who did what to whom. The problem is, it was an operation. These things don't happen.

The British system, through their Privy Council apparatus.

Stockwell: All right. We're going to jump over here really quick to--all the news web pages, the pages can't be displayed. This is interesting. I keep trying to go to these news web pages I was going to before. Maybe it's because they're updating them.

But let's see what we can pick up here, if we can pick up anything. No, all I'm getting is an empty signal here. There is no Wall Street Journal Report. The building has been evacuated. That's why. All right. The Stock Exchange has been evacuated. All right. Well, that takes care of the market for today. Well, at least it will last for another day.
Lyn, you were saying there a moment ago that the system was over. Now, what a lot of people, what a lot of my listeners need to understand, Mr. LaRouche, is the difference between our economic systems of this country that's driving this market crash, and basic economics.

That there's a difference--you can go in right now, and change the economics to save the system, rather than leaving the same system of economics that's currently afloat and watching it crash on the shores of absolute bankruptcy.

There are things that can be done right now to save our system, and leave it intact--or not the system, but the economy of this country, with a drastic change in the system.

LaRouche: Very simply. You just use the principle of the general welfare, as it's actually intended in the Preamble of the Constitution, as Roosevelt used that authority. You declare bankruptcy when needed.

For example, most of the banks of the United States are potentially bankrupt, if they're not already bankrupt. Well, do you let the banks shut down? You don't. You have the Treasury Department move in on the Federal Reserve System, which is the mother of these things. Take over the Federal Reserve System under bankruptcy reorganization.

And under the authority of bankruptcy reorganization, in cooperation with the states, who also control banks, charter them, you make sure that banks must keep their doors open, will keep their doors open.

You must ensure that employment is maintained. You must ensure that actually, it grows. You must ensure that pensions are paid. You must ensure that communities function. And you must also have some growth. Otherwise, how are you going to reorganize out of bankruptcy, if you don't have some real growth, which means that certain projects, like infrastructure projects--necessary ones -- are put into place, to absorb some of the unemployment which is inevitable, and get the economy moving again?

On that basis, using nothing but the precedents we have in our national law, our national history, we could reorganize this economy out of a virtually total monetary and financial collapse, by the will of government and the cooperation of the people, with good leadership in a very short period of time.

Stockwell: Well, I'm thinking of about two or three directions I want to go here. But we've only got a few minutes left. I want to get Max on here real quick. Let me give you another number again, ladies and gentlemen. 703-297-8368 for more information about what we've been talking about today.

Max, you're on the Stockwell Show.

Max: You know, we've seen the world economy fall pretty far. I think, with the World Trade Centers both collapsing, I think that was the last domino to fall to world collapse. Seriously.

And I've got quite a bit of money in the bank, I sold some land recently. I'm thinking, do I need to go pull that out, or would it do me any good to pull it out?

LaRouche: I would ask the question, would it do any good to pull it out? You know, we're going toward a gold reserve system in various countries, including Russia. Twelve countries have now minted gold coins, which are more or less a monetary unit. And the gold is going to increase.

So I think we're headed for a gold reserve system. I think our basic option, above all things, apart from being prudent, just plain prudent, be conservative. Don't go for the bucks, go to save as much as you can. Diversify your risk. And try to keep something there, so if something goes down, you'll have something else. That's general good sense.

But the point is, we have to get the government to use its powers to start a reorganization and recovery program, with an understanding that we have to save the American people, and the economy, and their future. It's that simple.

Max: I think the cow's out of the barn now. You know what I mean? I'm talking, what do I do right this moment? Because I'm scared.

LaRouche: Diversify. Don't put all your eggs in one basket. Go for minimal risk.

Max: So you're saying, Go pull some out, and get it diversified right now, or --

LaRouche: Diversify.

Max: That's about the only chance I've got. Because there might be a run on the banks tomorrow, right?

LaRouche: Diversity your risk. Buy some government bonds, if you can.

Stockwell: That's one of the safest things out there, is government bonds.

LaRouche: That's right.

Stockwell: Short-term government bonds.

LaRouche: Your deposit, your insured deposits, and the regular banking system are two of the most secure things, if you don't have a lot of good gold there that you can turn into a monetary asset.

Max: That's a good idea. Thank you.


Stockwell: Thanks, Max. Appreciate your call. Just a few minutes left here. You know, I can't tell you how much of an honor this is to have you on my program.

LaRouche: It's fun to be with you, Jack.

Stockwell: It's fun to have you here. We're going to try and squeeze in--oh, he's not going to come on. I thought I was going to squeeze in another caller here for a moment.

The latest now. Fighter planes are scrambling to this hijacked plane. They've got a hijacked plane on its way to Washington.

LaRouche: They're going to try to --

Stockwell: They're going to shoot her down.

LaRouche: Bull it down or shoot it down.

Stockwell: Or force it off, yeah, to a path different -- But boy, I'll tell you. This is--you know, ever since you mentioned this at the very beginning of the program, Lyn, it keeps coming back up in my little prefrontal cortex here.

And that is that the Arabs don't have the ability to pull something of this level off. You feel pretty strongly about that?

LaRouche: I know that. I know the Arab governments. I've been talking to them directly or indirectly over some period. At least, the key ones. And they don't want this kind of thing. But I know who does want it.

Stockwell: All right. Now, you were talking about possibly the idea of the Israeli government --

LaRouche: Or certain factions within it.

Stockwell: Certain factions within it. Just like there are certain factions within the Pentagon that would love for us to go to war in the Middle East.

LaRouche: Same thing. Exactly. Like Wolfowitz, for example. I don't think the world is safe with someone like him in the Defense Department, frankly.

Stockwell: Yes.

LaRouche: First, he never served in the military.

Stockwell: Wolfowitz?

LaRouche: To my knowledge, he never had actual service in the military. I don't think he knows what that means, psychologically. I think people who have had some experience in wartime service, or something like that, may have some sense of what the reality of military operations are, particularly if they got to some higher rank, or some intelligence.

Or if they've studied military history with that background, they might have some sense of what they're talking about.

But a guy like Wolfowitz impresses me, from the kind of things I've seen him do, he doesn't know what time it is. He's dangerous. He's dangerous, not because he's capable, he's dangerous because he's incapable. A very bad idea to put that nut in there.

I think a lot of generals would agree with me.

Stockwell: Yes. Well, we have about a minute left, Lyn. Can you bring something sublime out of this?

LaRouche: I think the point is, when you get a crisis, which is like a war. I mean, this--what is reported in New York, you're talking about 50,000 people possibly killed. Do you realize that's in the order of magnitude of the official death toll of --

Stockwell: of Vietnam.

LaRouche:--of Vietnam.

Stockwell: Yes.

LaRouche: So this is not a minor thing. This is not something that happened. This is not a terrorist incident. It's something much bigger.

But when you get into a crisis like this, the first thing you have to do, especially terrible crises, the more terrible they are, the more this principle applies. DO NOT PANIC. DO NOT SHOUT ``FIRE'' IN A CROWDED THEATER. Get the people safe and out.

And what's needed now, is to recognize that we got to this mess because the institutions of our government -- forget who did it. Forget who did whatever's done.

But think about this; it could not have happened if our government functioned. And the reason our government didn't function and doesn't function--I hope that changes quickly now--is because nobody was paying attention.

Stockwell: Yes.

LaRouche: Therefore, let us pay attention and recognize that when we are running the economy the way we are running it, the things we've been doing, we have set ourselves up for this kind of crisis.

The thing to respond to a crisis like this, is to remove long-term and medium-term causes of the crisis itself, of the situation which allowed this to happen, to come to this pass.

Stockwell: Lyndon, we've got to go. Thank you so much, sir, for being my guest today.

LaRouche: Thank you.

Stockwell: We'll talk to you again. Bye-bye.